Ubuntu and The blue Avians’ Message –Ideal society is merely a starting line. Nothing about inner problem will have been solved there.

MT: Well, once again, that statement comes from within a capitalist system. This all comes– this is thousands of years of indoctrination.　Capitalism, democracy, competition, the money system– all that needs to go. Until we get rid of that, we can’t create a united community. But once people just open themselves up and absorb some of the ideas, and it starts to resonate with them, there is no turning back.

DW: Oh, Michael. Hang on a second. People are going to be sitting around with their phones. They’re not even going to look you in the eye. They’re going to just be sitting there twiddling their thumbs. This doesn’t sound practical.

CG: There’s going to have to be a transitional period. There’s going to have to be a catalyzing event, a global economic collapse. People are going to be very upset. They’re going to realize this has been a giant Ponzi scheme run by criminals. When the sleeping masses realize this, that’s going to be a catalyst for them to want to know more. And then this is when a lot of document dumps are going to happen. And don’t you think that’s going to stimulate people to be open to new ideas?

MT: We’re living in very interesting times right now where pretty much everyone alive on this planet knows that something is wrong. If you ask the average person out on the street, are you happy with the way the world is going? Do you think this is the perfect life that you were born for? Are you living out your dreams? The answer is 100% no, guaranteed. 100%. So clearly, something is dramatically wrong. And now we just got to present a new system. We’re not going to change the system in the big cities and the metropolitan areas. That’s a difficult thing to do. I believe that the way to do this is to go into the small towns and small villages where you can reach all the people.
How do you do this? Well, you can do this by bringing a lot of money into a small town. The other important thing is to say, we’re going to have to use money to free ourselves from the money. The system has been enslaving us for at least 6,000 years with money. We’ve got to now take the system and change it so that it works for us.
The whole Ubuntu contributionism system is based on establishing a number of diverse community projects within small communities that benefit that town. We are not creating self-sustaining communities. We create so much of what we do that we can make it available to everyone around us, either by selling it or making it available for free.

DW: Doesn’t it seem like things are already kind of leading this way? Look at the number of people who will make their own YouTube videos. They know they’re never going to make money on it. They’ll write articles. They know they’re never going to make money on it. And why are they doing it? Because they want to be seen as socially valuable.

MT: Absolutely. Really, what you just said there, David, is critical. When you start working in your community– and again, everything you need is provided for. Why? Because that’s what we do as a community. There’s too much food, too much technology, too much fabric, too much anything. Everything is available in abundance. All you have to do is contribute a few hours a week towards the community projects, and the rest of the time is yours. How that will evolve, I don’t know yet. But what it results in, that most of the time you have in the week is your own. And you can then express your own talents, whether you’re a painter or a sculptor or a musician or a horse breeder or an engineer or a scientist.

CG: What a world.


MT: So when you wake up in the morning with a smile on your face because you know you don’t have to get up, get dressed in a suit and a tie, and sit on a train or a bus or ride a bicycle in the rain or the cold or the wind to go to a stinking job. You choose which community you live in. You don’t have to– you’re not forced to do anything you want. You get everything for free because you contribute a few hours a week towards one of the community projects. And that collectively makes us a very powerful labor force. Very, very quickly– overnight– your community becomes a powerful labor force that no corporation, no municipality, no government can compete with. And now I’ve actually given you the steps.

DW: What if some guy goes around raping women at knifepoint? What are you going to do with him?

MT: Well, that’s one of the frequently asked questions. So thank you for bringing it up. And what I find interesting, just on that subject, is that the questions that people have been coming up with over the last 11 years shows me how equally wired we are, how the current system has wired us to think equally about the problems and coming up with the same problems, the same hurdles.
The Ubuntu model, is to move away from a centralized government. Communities govern themselves. The community will decide. They’ll set up a new legal system, guidelines as to the behavior. But in the Ubuntu model, the community will elect its own council of elders that will then be the guides for the community. And they’ll decide daily and hourly and minute-by-minute what is best for the community, not what’s best for me.

DW: The sewers are clogged. Nobody wants to go into the sewer. What do you do then?

MT: Great. I love it. It’s just beautiful, where it’s just one of the frequently asked questions. When I do the workshops and I bring up this as a question, guess what happens? There are always two or three people that put up their hands. I’ll shovel the crap. So we already have our answer. But it goes a lot further than that. Remember, we’re no longer doing this for money. We’re doing this for our community, which means we’re doing it for ourselves. So whoever is on duty for that week to look after the sewers will go and unclog the sewers.

In a Ubuntu or a contributionism system or a contributionist community, you are a critical part of your community. You play, everyone plays an equally critical part in the community. Doesn’t matter if you’re the local doctor or the scientist or the engineer or baker. Everyone’s role is equally, critically important.

So the amazing thing is that for every crazy Michelangelo or Leonardo da Vinci, there are 1,000 crazy young chemical engineers who are passionate about solving the sewage problem. And they will come up with systems to solve the sewage problem.

MT: Human nature is to create. It’s to give expression to your divine– the talent that you’re born with. And that gets beaten out of us in the school system — which obviously we’re going to have to do completely. We’re not going to have a schooling system the way we have today. This is an indoctrination, brainwashing, manipulation prison camps that we send our children to.

CG: I couldn’t have put it better myself.

MT: First of all, to set up a community project costs money. But then to manage them and actually let them become successful so they bring an income, so that they start bringing abundance into the town, first with money, and then that money keeps upgrading and improving. That is where it normally falls down because as an individual like myself, I end up running out of money every time we start to get out of the starting blocks.

And it became very clear to me because in 2014, the Ubuntu Party ran as a political party, and I ran for president in South Africa. We ended up with a million followers. That is a large number of followers. And one mayor, one elected Ubuntu mayor, will be infinitely more effective and powerful than one elected member of Parliament. Because I get money from government — I can put that money into all these community projects. They’ll then spark the growth of the community projects.

DW: What if you have this big factory that’s dumping industrial emissions into your river? And they got lobbyists and lawyers and all this money behind them.

MT: You’ll actually get the answer yourself once I’ve taken you through this little process.
So we basically now are going– in 2016, we have the South African local municipal elections. And I’m using this as the catalyst, the spearhead for the global Ubuntu movement. Now, we’ve got members in more than 200 countries. We need to raise enough funds to contest successfully the local municipal election. Our aim, our strategy is to go after the 12 smallest municipalities. It’s the Achilles heel approach. Because if we win one municipality and the four or five towns who make up that municipality, we will shut down the capitalist system and implement this Ubuntu system, contributionism system, virtually overnight. It will be the first domino to fall. Our main promise to the people for this election is free electricity for all. Everybody gets free electricity in return for giving three hours a week to one of the community projects. You don’t have to give up your job.
What we did in Australia just recently, in Byron Bay, there was a statistician there. And he did a calculation. And this is what he said. A small town– because I use our town of 5,000 people as an example. 5,000 people, three hours a week, it’s 15,000 hours of labor a week. Right? He said one year of people contributing three hours a week in this system, one year of this is equivalent to 31 years of people working eight hours a day as slaves in the current system. One year to 31 years. Those are the ratios.

So within a very short space of time, we’ll turn out community into a community of unimaginable abundance. We’ll have so much food. We’ve got a plan of action. You open up your science laboratories to researchers and medical people to come and find the cure for all disease and share it with the world. So you invite the scientists to develop ways to get rid of the pollution in the river.

CG: Well, I can tell you, everything you’ve said pretty much interweaves with what the Alliance has been saying, what the Blue Avians said in their message. And what they’ve said is that this is the wave of the future..


MT: Well, thanks, Corey. And I just want to come back, what I said right upfront. The transition from where we are now to living in this world of abundance is so simple. It is so much simpler than most of us could have ever imagined. I’m not in charge of it. Every community’s in charge of their own lot, their own future, their own abundance.